Report: Karlsson traded to Sharks

[Jasmine]

Told that the official trade call was just completed. Erik Karlsson has been traded to the San Jose Sharks - Pierre Lebrun

[Josh]

OMG

[Josh]

According to Dean Brown:

The Sens have traded Erik Karlsson and Francis Perron to SJ for a 1st rd pick in 2019 or 2020, C-Chris Tierny, 2nd rd pick 2019, C-Josh Norris, LW-Rudolfs Balcers and D-Dylan DeMelo

[Josh]

Karlsson for NOTHING

[Jasmine]

Very disappointed he was traded to begin with - I know nothing about the return and right now, I don't care.

[Josh]

You'd be forgiven for thinking Ryan MUST be a part of the deal with THAT return, but then you wouldn't know Dorion..

[Jasmine]

So this seems to be the official trade:


To San Jose #Sharks:

D Erik Karlsson
F Francis Perron

To Ottawa #Senators

F Chris Tierney
D Dylan DeMelo
F Rudolfs Balcers
F Josh Norris (rights)
2019 2nd RD pick *higher of two SJ own
2020 1st RD pick *conditional
2021 2nd RD pick *conditional

[Jasmine]

And I just saw this: #Sens can also receive another 1st RD pick from the Sharks (no later than 2022) if Karlsson is on an Eastern Conference roster (reserve list) during the 2018-19 season. #TheHoffmanClause

[Matt the Aussie]

This is just so messed up. We were going to WIN the Stanley Cup like 2 years ago. There's nobody left?!

[Matt the Aussie]

Karlsson for NOTHING

All caps isn't enough emphasis on the NOTHING. The level of incompetence is stunning.

[Alfie11]

Absolutely crazy.

Especially seeing Karlsson saying he never thought he’d leave Ottawa and never wanted out, but he wasn’t part of their plan.

[matchesmalone]

Has anyone been able to find the exact trade, including all conditions on the picks? Now that more information has come out, it sounds like maybe the return could be at least a little better than originally thought. As Jasmine mentioned, there is a conditional first rounder if he ends up in the Eastern conference (I believe only if that occurs this season). All that really seems to do is handcuff San Jose a bit if they decide to trade him as a rental at the deadline.

The one sure first rounder could be this year or next year, based on whether the Sharks make the playoffs. If they miss, then it is for this year, but assuming they won't, then it will be next year. Kinda clever since by then Karlsson may well leave before 2020 and the Sharks aging roster could have the franchise falling into their own rebuild by then.

Then there is another conditional pick, which is the one I am completely confused about. The Ottawa Sun reports it as "a second rounder if the Sharks re-sign Karlsson, which can turn into a first if they make the Cup finals next spring". What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Them making the cup finals could very well happen before they would re-sign him. Do both conditions have to be met for it to become a first then? If they make the finals but don't re-sign him, it is nothing? Very shoddy reporting by Don Brennan here.

Anyway, I am waiting for it to come on prosportstransactions. They always have the full trade with all the details on the conditions, but does anybody know where else to find it in the meantime?

[Josh]

Has anyone been able to find the exact trade, including all conditions on the picks? Now that more information has come out, it sounds like maybe the return could be at least a little better than originally thought. As Jasmine mentioned, there is a conditional first rounder if he ends up in the Eastern conference (I believe only if that occurs this season). All that really seems to do is handcuff San Jose a bit if they decide to trade him as a rental at the deadline.

The one sure first rounder could be this year or next year, based on whether the Sharks make the playoffs. If they miss, then it is for this year, but assuming they won't, then it will be next year. Kinda clever since by then Karlsson may well leave before 2020 and the Sharks aging roster could have the franchise falling into their own rebuild by then.

Then there is another conditional pick, which is the one I am completely confused about. The Ottawa Sun reports it as "a second rounder if the Sharks re-sign Karlsson, which can turn into a first if they make the Cup finals next spring". What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Them making the cup finals could very well happen before they would re-sign him. Do both conditions have to be met for it to become a first then? If they make the finals but don't re-sign him, it is nothing? Very shoddy reporting by Don Brennan here.

Anyway, I am waiting for it to come on prosportstransactions. They always have the full trade with all the details on the conditions, but does anybody know where else to find it in the meantime?

I haven’t been able to find the full conditions in a non-speculative sense either. And you’re right, the re-sign/finals condition is bizarre as hell.

[thedaigle1]

[matchesmalone]

I've been reading around, and it really sounds like the Sharks have to first re-sign Karlsson for the conditional second rounder to kick in, regardless of whether the Sharks make the finals. And then only once that condition is activated does the conditional first come into play. So it is a condition upon a condition. Not a fan of that.