If the Sens were a cap team...

[Josh]

... what moves would you make?

[Josh]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

Here's what I would do:

Trades:

Boston: Krejci for Smith, Prince, and Puempel -- Bruins do it because it frees up $3.5M in desperately needed cap space, they get a C back, and two good LW prospects.
Chicago: Sharp for Wiercioch, Hoffman, and Borowiecki -- Hawks do it because it frees up $2.7M in desperately needed cap space, they get a LW back, and two good D prospects.
Philadelphia: Simmonds and L. Schenn for Ryan and Gryba -- Philadelphia does this because they want Ryan, and also because it frees up almost $2M in badly needed cap space.


Signing:

Robin Lehner: 2 years $2M

Patrick Sharp - David Krejci - Wayne Simmonds
Clarke MacArthur - Kyle Turris - Mark Stone
Milan Michalek - Mika Zibanejad - Alex Chiasson
Colin Greening - David Legwand - Chris Neil
Erik Condra

Jared Cowen - Erik Karlsson
Marc Methot - Luke Schenn
Chris Phillips - Cody Ceci

Craig Anderson
Robin Lehner

[Alfie11]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

I'm not going to make proposed trades because, to be honest, I'm not sure how I'd gauge certain players values and it's always so hard to tell.

I would spend little money in free agency. That's what cripples teams, IMO. I would extend Ryan, MacArthur and Methot between now and the end of 2014. I would look to make a trade for a player with a bad contract, assuming we get a nice return along with the player (a good draft pick or prospect). I would also look to deal with teams in desperate need of cap room and try to get a good deal.

[matchesmalone]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

Josh, while it's true Boston is in some trouble with the salary cap, do you really think David Krejci is the guy they move for that relief? It is possible of course, true he is 28 now, and is on the last year of his contract before becoming UFA, but on the other hand, he's been such a key part of their two Cup finals runs, and after trading Seguin last year, they'd be left with just Patrice Bergeron as a top six center. Chiarelli is quickly proving himself as one of the very best GMs in hockey, and it is now quite clear that that Seguin trade last summer was concisely calculated to leave them with exactly six top six forwards for both the short and mid-term future: Krejci and Bergeron at center, and Eriksson, Lucic, Smith and Marchand on the wings. So my expectations are, Krug's and Smith's extensions two will combine for at least 6-7 million, so in my estimation, the guy moving out is Johnny Boychuk. Chara and Seidenberg will continue to play 25 minutes a game, and the development of Krug and Dougie Hamilton makes him expendable. Also he's already 30 now and a pending UFA next summer.

And maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see Philly as being in any kind of real cap trouble. They have a full roster and two plus million in space. :?

Chicago, clearly, is over the cap, but Sharp has three years left on a reasonable contract, and has been a core member of both Cup runs, while simply trading Kris Versteeg would rectify their current cap situation. Johnny Oduya and Nick Leddy would also be viable options.

Personally, if we were the Sens GM and had the ability to spend to the cap, I would make basically the same moves I would right now. Just one thing. I've been starting to delve in the strange and delightful world of analytic stats lately, and one thing I've come to conclude is, while I'd still really want Chris Stewart, I would not be willing to include Mark Stone in a package to get him, which is presumably the exact same reason the Murrays haven't been able to work out this deal, and why it probably won't get done until maybe the trade deadline, where Stone will not be involved. :x

Another team in a little bit of cap trouble is St. Louis. They have a little under three million to re-sign Jaden Schwartz. Any chance they trade Schwartz himself? Highly unlikely; right now I'd be extremely hesitant to move Stone before seeing what he can do with a full season in the NHL, but Schwartz is one of the only guys I'd do it for. But it would cost us at least Stone and our first rounder next year, probably more. Patrik Berglund or Barret Jackman still seem the two most likely candidates to be traded there. After having signed Legwand, Berglund doesn't seem like a likely candidate for us, and we don't need more 2nd pairing defensemen.

I would definitely make attempts on Jonathan Huberdeau and Chris Kreider, but either one is gonna cost us big in assets, if they're even available. Kreider is another one I'd be willing to move Stone for. Some more realistic targets I'd be taking a long look at would be Chris Higgins, Mikkel Boedker, Matt Read and Patrik Maroon.

[Dean Ambrose]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

Josh should make trade proposals on HF.

[Josh]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

Josh should make trade proposals on HF.

Oh I have. The vitriol is awesome :lol:

[Dean Ambrose]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

Josh should make trade proposals on HF.

Oh I have. The vitriol is awesome :lol:

No, not on the Sens board, on the trade board where we can all see. :D

[matchesmalone]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

I just noticed Jaden Schwartz isn't on the list of players filed for arbitration. I guess he wasn't eligible. But doesn't that then mean someone can offer sheet him? With the Blue's cap trouble right now, and Tarasenko up next year, they'd have trouble matching an offer in the 6+ million range...

[Josh]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

Trade:

Chiasson, Greening, Phillips, 2015 2nd to Edmonton for Eberle, Perron
Prince, 2016 1st to Toronto for Kadri
Cowen, Condra to Arizona for Michalek

David Perron - Kyle Turris - Bobby Ryan
Clarke MacArthur - Nazem Kadri - Jordan Eberle
Milan Michalek - Mika Zibanejad - Mark Stone
Zack Smith - David Legwand - Curtis Lazar
Chris Neil

Marc Methot - Erik Karlsson
Mark Borowiecki - Zbynek Michalek
Patrick Wiercioch - Cody Ceci
Eric Gryba

Craig Anderson - Robin Lehner

[Alfie11]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

I don't think Edmonton takes that deal. Eberle is young and is usually good for 30-30-60. In return they get an unproven Chiasson, and two overpaid bottom tier players in Greening and Phillips.

I think with Turris and Zibanejad we don't really need a centre (Kadri).

[Josh]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

Do you think Edmonton does it if the Toronto deal is nixed and Ottawa puts up the 2016 1st to Edmonton instead of the 2015 2nd?

[Alfie11]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

Do you think Edmonton does it if the Toronto deal is nixed and Ottawa puts up the 2016 1st to Edmonton instead of the 2015 2nd?

It's more likely. Is there any reports on Edmonton's asking price for Eberle?

[Matt the Aussie]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

... so in my estimation, the guy moving out is Johnny Boychuk. Chara and Seidenberg will continue to play 25 minutes a game, and the development of Krug and Dougie Hamilton makes him expendable. Also he's already 30 now and a pending UFA next summer.

...

Chicago, clearly, is over the cap, but Sharp has three years left on a reasonable contract, and has been a core member of both Cup runs, while simply trading Kris Versteeg would rectify their current cap situation. Johnny Oduya and Nick Leddy would also be viable options.

Predicted over 3 months ago. Good job.

[Josh]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

OK, so then how about this:

Greening, Phillips, Prince, 2016 1st to Edmonton for Eberle, Perron
Cowen, Condra to Arizona for Michalek

David Perron - Kyle Turris - Bobby Ryan
Clarke MacArthur - Mika Zibanejad - Jordan Eberle
Milan Michalek - David Legwand - Mark Stone
Zack Smith - Curtis Lazar - Alex Chiasson
Chris Neil

Marc Methot - Erik Karlsson
Mark Borowiecki - Zbynek Michalek
Patrick Wiercioch - Cody Ceci
Eric Gryba

Craig Anderson - Robin Lehner

[matchesmalone]

Re: If the Sens were a cap team...

Why is Edmonton just blowing it up and practically re-starting their rebuild?